Haymarket CEO draft interview : take on Guardian digital first

This is a sort of extension of Tweeting but maybe over a longer period of time.

Couple of days ago Jo Francis back from holiday tweeeted to ask what was going on. My suggestion, the Jeff Jarvis article stating that the Guardian has decided on "digital first".

So my question is what do Haymarket make of this. Not just Printweek, they tend to concentrate on print, but brand Republic and the rest. will Haymarket move more content online in their own take on "digital first"? Jo, ( I think still Jo on the Printweek Twitter ID ) suggests putting this question to the Haymarket CEO.

I don't expect there will be any detailed answer. But maybe some clues or links when there is an anoouncement. The Guardian did post something on "digital first" but I missed it until the Jeff Jarvis article on page one of the print Media version.

Both the Guardian Media Group and Haymarket publish content about UK media. The print versions tend to support print and bookish culture. But sometimes there is a different view in online versions and the actual policy of the publishers suggests a different estimation of the likely pace of change.

So the questions for the Haymarket CEO could be much the same for other managers. What is the role of print in communications? What is the time scale for moving online? What to think about the people previously known as the audience? ( phrase from Jeff Jarvis / Jay Rosen )

The actual Haymarket CEO is Kevin Costello so I will send a direct email as well as this blog / tweet

Forget San Francisco? Can't imagine Old Street but the Land of Moo is taking shape

Jemima Kiss has started a new series in Guardian Media on startups in the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/26/digital-startup-editd

"Forget San Francisco" is the challenging opener. Apparently it is better to locate in Old Street, London.

My problem is not just the history I can remember about technology from California. I also have no fantasy around Old Street. Maybe I am out of touch through living in Devon too long. I have heard about the wonderful roundabout but it may be too much like several other roundabouts.

I am still thinking about the canal walk to the Olympics. The route to King's Cross is clear enough but then there is a hill to get to the other side of the Angel. I am going to leave it like that for the moment. I know that Moo is somewhere nearby so this space could have images. I may need to mix in other phases of hard copy history, places like Watford for example.

Generally the idea of imagined spaces in non specified time frames is proving useful.

The Jeff Jarvis article - in three months time you will need another one #guardiantalk

The Guardian has decided on "digital first" , source Jeff Jarvis.

Who knew? apparently it happened last month. Previously Jeff Jarvis vanished as a regular spot, possibly because of budget issues around space for newspapers. I was unable to confirm the information that there was a change, let alone get a comment. But this is just a blog so why would the Guardian answer a question?

Has this "digital first" decision been mentioned anywhere else? Is there a Rusbridger tweet? I may well have missed it.

Maybe Jeff Jarvis is writing about newspapers in general. What he says makes a lot of sense and has done for a number of years. The buzzmachine blog continues with the crucial stuff but it can always be edited for cohesion and relevance in a specific context.

Buzzmachine may have included something like this before

When working in collaboration with the public – which can help news become at once more expansive and less expensive – it may be useful to help collaborators improve what they do: journalist as community organiser, journalism teacher, support system.

So why did the Guardian trash Guardian Talk. the sometime talk board for users, readers, street level observation occasions, whatever you want to describe such as? No development or publicity over ten years or so, no contributions from Guardian staff, no explanation of the decision to close it down.

But of course the "digital first" decision is welcome. Especially if there is more explanation. And the space for Jeff Jarvis is well used as well. Looking forward to the next one, polished up buzzmachine with extra facts from sources close to the Guardian.

Forget San Francisco? Can't imagine Old Street but the Land of Moo is taking shape

Jemima Kiss has started a new series in Guardian Media on startups in the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/26/digital-startup-editd

"Forget San Francisco" is the challenging opener. Apparently it is better to locate in Old Street, London.

My problem is not just the history I can remember about technology from California. I also have no fantasy around Old Street. Maybe I am out of touch through living in Devon too long. I have heard about the wonderful roundabout but it may be too much like several other roundabouts.

I am still thinking about the canal walk to the Olympics. The route to King's Cross is clear enough but then there is a hill to get to the other side of the Angel. I am going to leave it like that for the moment. I know that Moo is somewhere nearby so this space could have images. I may need to mix in other phases of hard copy history, places like Watford for example.

The Jeff Jarvis article - in three months time you will need another one #guardiantalk

The Guardian has decided on "digital first" , source Jeff Jarvis.

Who knew? apparently it happened last month. Previously Jeff Jarvis vanished as a regular spot, possibly because of budget issues around space for newspapers. I was unable to confirm the information that there was a change, let alone get a comment. But this is just a blog so whay would the Guardian answer a question.

Has this "digital first" decision been mentioned anywhere else? Is there a Rusbridger tweet? I may well have missed it. Just asking the question.

Maybe Jeff Jarvis is writing about newspapers in general. What he says makes a lot of sense and has done for a number of years. The buzzmachine blog continues with the crucial stuff but it can always be edited for cohesion and relevance in a specific context.

Buzzmachine may have included something like this before

When working in collaboration with the public – which can help news become at once more expansive and less expensive – it may be useful to help collaborators improve what they do: journalist as community organiser, journalism teacher, support system.

So why did the Guardian trash Guardian Talk. the sometime talk board for users, readers, street level observation occasions, whatever you want to describe such as? No development or publicity over ten years or so, no contributions from Guardian staff, no explanation of the decision to close it down.

But of course the "digital first" decision is welcome. Especially if there is more explanation. And the space for Jeff Jarvis is well used as well. Looking forward to the next one, polished up buzzmachine with extra facts from sources close to the Guardian.

If social media equals public space what is a university reputation based on?

Following recent discussion at Spacex about public space, future Manchester, Deleuze etc. I found this Guardian article about how students are tweeting in harmony with formal PR.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/jun/20/universities-social-media-reputation

At Warwick there is a check on social media at least once a day. Some is ignored but, says Peter Dunn "If it is on a much more public space like Twitter or Facebook, someone like us can see it and respond."

So Twitter and Facebook are public space.

If social media are now part of the publicity for most universities there are a few questions that follow. What is the point of view around e-learning or online research? I have found previously that there is considerable critique of e-learning and at least an implicit claim that older methods are better, less commercial, more in keeping with civilisation. Is this still the case? How public is information or access to images? Is it normal practice to video or sound record events? Can students or anyone visiting easily do a report or blog that combines with other content? these sort of issues will crop up with social media and I guess the situation can vary.

Social media is not just another option to be used as everything else continues much the same.

Map shows some sort of space to think about Cross Media and reach the Land of MOO

Crossmediamap

I have been thinking about a canal walk towards the Olympic site from Regent's Park. Main issue has been the tunnel from King's Cross to beyond the Angel. But it turns out there is a route to the business Design Centre and it should be ok to find the canal again. Narrowboat Pub can be phoned.

I am still getting used to MOO and the new QR code cards. Being an affiliate seems very sensible, a way back into hard copy. I am not sure where MOO is as a print setup but I think it is near the famous silicon roundabout. Possibly not as global a challenge as sometimes claimed. There have always been services on the edge of the City. Some are technology, some are print. But the Land of MOO is the next space to explore, once I find the way back to the canal from Islington Green.

Meanwhile the timing of Cross Media is an open question in my book. September 2012 may be too late.

 http://www.indesem.nl/?p=239

A PDF article on Public Space shows how architecture of physical space now mingles with online.  This map of a route round Cross Media is intended to be public. Invites to Google Docs version on request.

Guardian in confusion on what to think about ebooks and Harry Potter

I do try to find a weblink for quotes I find in the print Guardian. Today in print the Review has The Week In Books on page 5 with Philip Ardagh suggesting that it "would have been nice" if "someone bookish" and linked to the announcement of Pottermore had nudged the organisers of the Carnegie and Kate Greenaway medals. both had less publicity thatn some would think right. thing is though, maybe the online world is connecting better with the telling of stories. There are publishers in London at some sort of prize ceremony most weeks. And why is this the aspect of the news of most interest for the Guardian in print.

When I look online I can't find "The Week In Books" but there is a blog post that considers the implications for the book trade.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2011/jun/23/pottermore-jk-rowling-marketing-genius-harry-potter

A Radiohead moment, no less.

So there seems to be two versions of the Guardian now. In print the assumption that books should be promoted in print through awards ceremonies in London that should be widely reported in print by the sort of people who also go to them. Then online, a fairly different set of assumptions for people who look online.

Should I carry on  spending money to be shaken by the print version, then have to look online to find something sensible?

Not sure this will carry on for much longer. If JK Rowling can do a switch, whatever next?

The Guardian can report on the finances of Haymarket. Could it work vice versa? there will be a future online equivalent of both but there is a story on how we get there.